In a message dated 10/10/2006 10:07:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Puppy mills exist and are thriving because there is a need for them.....yeah I know, there are all types of advertisements that say buy from a reputable breeder...please define that term for me...as for buying from a so-called breeder how many screen their clients, make them fill out applications, do home visits, make them sign ten page contracts.. I don't do any of that, and it's Okay if you do but many folks including me don't want your approval of their life style, and it is your right to refuse to sell to them, but when they go to Mr. Puppy Miller everyone gets all pushed out of shape. You are right Ed. I had a call last week from a lady looking for a male puppy; the family consisted of her, herself and nine year old daughter. Mom and dad worked different shifts, so for most of the day and adult would be around, BUT, the only fence they had was around their pool. I have no puppies, but still, I spent the better part of an hour telling her what to look for in a breeder, her rights as a puppy purchaser in PA, patiently answering her questions (food, crate training) BUT also suggesting she strongly consider fencing a section of her ground. Why? Because in her mind, nine year old daughter (unsupervised) was going to walk the doggy. (The image of a nine year old trying to hold onto one of my males who had another idea flashed through my mind, followed by the image of her neighbors, nice neighborhood BTW, when puppy then dog was allowed to defecate on THEIR very manicured lawn). So, we spent some time discussing a safe, fenced in play area. You know what the lady learned? To say "yes" re the fence question. I'll still make sure, with very few exceptions, mine go to a home with a fence. But there will be BYBs and millers who will gladly sell a puppy to those I'd never consider. And you know what? So be it. Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================