Hi John, I really don't think age has much to do with it. A good one is a good one. We have finished young males - Ch. Heathbar finished at 16 mths, and finished females at just under 2, but, this is true that they get better with age. What shows are available, what judges are at those shows, and can you get there with a decent handler...to me is more important than age of the dog. I like what Dave Rinke said at one of his seminars. Keep the cream of the crop, but go out once in a while and pull out the weeds. Look at your crop, really look at them. Do you have dogs with good shoulders, temperament, type? Some people get stuck in a rut, breeding the same things and same type over and over. Set goals and strive for those goals. Tari Kridler Home of 2003 Amer & Can GVX Kridler's Ruby and her Father 2 x Sel. Amer & Can Ch. Kridler's Quno- *New show Puppies* http://www.kridlersgermanshepherds.com I think the males are being pushed earlier is to maximize their breeding potential. For example, last years winners dog at the national was a spectacular moving animal, but one could not say he was mature, (in my opinion). But by being shown early and winning, he definitely will maximize his breeding potential. I am confident that that dog will be a much better overall dog when he is 4 or 5, provided he stays in condition. I would be curious to see the statistics of the ages of the bitches vs males at championship. John V ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================