[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prong Collars?
- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <grnram415@xxxxxxx>, <wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:40:06 -0700
Hi Werner;
We don't own a prong collar.....but I can see a purpose for them if absolutely
necessary.
A couple of years ago I was walking BOOKER and a pup along the river and coming
towards me was a young slim girl ( about 100 lbs. ) and a good sized guy.
She had a
Rottweiler on a 6 ft. leash. When her Rottie saw us stopped and waiting on
the road,
he lunged towards us as she tried to stop him. She could not. He
literally drug her on
her stomach for 20 feet with the guy trying to stop him too......he only
stopped just about
10 feet of us when he saw BOOKER quietly stand up and lock his eyes into
his......and
THEN they both gained control of him.
Had I owned a prong collar I would have given it to that girl! <G> I don't
know if she was
"weak " or "sick" or didn't like "cats"........but she could have used a prong
collar that day.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: grnram415@xxxxxxx To: wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I am late on this subject but I totally disagree.? A prong/pinch collar, when
used correctly,?can be a very useful training tool.? I work with many large
breed and tough dogs, including Rotties and Pits.??A prong/pinch collar
imitates Mom's control of her pups or the Pack leader's control of the pack.?
In nature, the alpha dog grabs the neck to control?pups and any dog who
challengers to their authority.? The pinch collar simulates that control.? The
pinch collar also allows the dog to self-correct.??
Many years ago, I had a very HARD Lab.? I took him to a trainer who?believed
in physical force to train.?( She is now? judge of GSD's.)? She caused
permanent neck damage to my dog by stringing him up on a choke chain and
swinging him around, to get him to comply to her demands.??He could never get
past a CD in obeidience due to his pain and long term injuries.???
I have used a pinch collar on a few dogs since then.? I got compliance
quickly as they mostly self corrected.? It did not take away from the dog
moving out in front of me, it just gave them control.? I do not string them up
on a pinch nor do I have to be overly physical in corrections.? Within?one or
two sessions, the dog understands the plan and no longer needs the pinch
collar.? Some dogs take longer, especially with pet people.? However, once they
understand who is in charge, the pinch collar is no longer needed, even for
tough dogs.? It is not for every dog but it is a good tool for dogs who need
control.? Laura? ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Werner Sommers <wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx>
People that use prong collars should not own a dog.
If they are to weak or sick, they should have a cat.
?
That is my believe and I am sticking to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
?I have roadworked both GSDs and Dalmatians for several years now... I don't
just do it before the National, but do it all year (as long as I can when it
isn't snowing or 40 below).... I tend to bike dogs about 3 - 4 nights a week,
2
miles, especially the GSDs since I cannot walk fast enough to keep up. On the
nights I don't bike, I hand walk a couple miles on whatever show collar they
are
going to be shown on so the learn to associate the collar with more than just
work. When biking, I use a prong collar and a 6 - 10 foot leash on both
breeds... And pray no critters show up :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
How awful!!!!!!
Werner
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