Ms. Williams I totally respect your right to say what you believe, I also totally disagree with you. No dog should have to wear a Prong Collar. That is my believe and I will always stick to it.... I love working lines and all GSD's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Williams writes... It's preferable to putting a dog in the pound because you can't walk it. And sure we want to recommend obedience training to everyone, but in the interim, you need a tool to help you get along till results are achieved. Vets can tell you a choke chain is easier to abuse and more likly to cause neck injuries than a prong collar, which only pinces the skin. Those halti things have a nasty habit of rubbing the hair off the dogs nose. The dog runs when I try to put the halti on. He stands still when I put the prong on. I have a working line/cross, and 85lb show dog and a puppy, everybody under the age of two, and I able to walk all three at the same time through the miracle of the prong collar. I don't even have to hook it to the leash. It just needs to be on. One good correction is preferable to several bad ones with a choke chain. I'm hardly weak or sick. I don't care much for general statements either. Had enough of those from the working line folks. You should read what they think of us. Denise W. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Werner http://imagegermanshepherds.com/ BISS Am/Can CH. Scher-Lo's Mr Karizma HIC.OFA h&e Am.CH. Hadori's Samantha OFA h&e B.O.F CH. Pointed, Lorien's Play By Play OFA h&e ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================