EXACTLY! To me the 'pillars" of the breed are the ones who DON'T consider themselves pillars! They are the ones who still call themselves 'students of the breed' after 30 plus years of experience - not 1 year of experience 30 times. People who learn from every litter they produce, who study pedigrees, and know the 'clicks' that produce not only winners but sound dogs who become the producers of our next generation. They are the folks you see testing their breeding stock for genertic problems when those tests are available and don't wait for them to become 'required'. They are the ones who are out proving their dogs can still do the job for which the breed was developed! They are the ones who love MY breed because its THEIR breed. They are the ones willing to share that knowledge with someone who WANTS that knowledge - not just someone who gives it lip service then brags about going off and doing it 'their way' and not being successful. Do I have pillars in mind? You betcha! Barbara Amidon and Fred Migliore are two that come to mind instantly. I've learned so much from both of them and one of them doesn't even know it! LOL I've had long talks with Fred about this breed but just as important I've sat a tables and seats during Nationals and LISTENED to Barbara talk. Amazing lady!! Are there others? YES. Just making the above comments becasue new folks have to understand that education can come in more than one form! Oh and you learn more from listening than talking!!! Suzanne www.tsalishepherds.com Home of Ch Cookie HT RN TC CGC, Ch Flair, BIS/BISS Ch Yancy HIC HT PT RN TC CGC, Ch Flash, Mousser (10 points/1 mjr), and Lil' Miss Gilli! Website updated 01/06 -------------- Original message -------------- From: SUSAN SULLIVAN <susan-sullivan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > I had to laugh with this post as it brought back a flood of memories. Years > ago > (though it seems like only yesterday) I was standing ringside with another > exhibitor watching our two bitches being shown. We were both going through > the > joys of finishing our first GSDs. She had a gray Destino's Serge daughter who > needed a major to not only finish her championship but also Serge's ROM I > think. > At one point she turned to me and stated, "If someone would just tell me how > much the dues are and where to pay them I'd do it tomorrow!" Somewhere along > the line she must have found the answers because a couple of years ago she > was > the co-owner and co-breeder of a double Grand Victor! I think sometimes > people > become the od timers of the something without ever realizing it and never > really > think of themselves as such. > Susan > > Msg: #4 in digest > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:10:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Grace Eaton > Subject: Re: Pillar, schmillers > > I have a question, I was wondering.....When is one considered NOT a newbie > anymore? Yesterday someone on the list ( sorry,i don't remember who you were) > said they were a newby, yet they have been showing for 6 (SIX) years! Had a > Champion, a couple of litters etc... I know there is soooo very much to learn > but...SIX years, to me, is a long time to be considered a newbie. Is it? When > is > the newbie cutoff? LOL! > Grace (super newbie) > ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: > > > > > Susan w. Sullivan ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================