I have not found anything that beats Odormute. It is an enzyme that knocks out the odor at the source. The last container I have, I bought some while ago and it says Ryter's Enzyme Formula and gives a phone number 507 642 8529 I just did a "GoodSearch" (for the Foundation) ask me about this privately:-)-- and it comes up on several places so it is still available. We got it way back when we had a rental unit and the people had a cat that peed all over--this stuff actually wiped out that odor--and cat pee is the toughest odor to tackle-so I was really sold on it and used it outdoors in the runs and in the gutter at the ends of the runs and also in my rock drainage area. Worked really well! Ginny Altman "Please let me be as kind, intelligent, and wonderful as my dog thinks I am." In a message dated 7/17/2008 9:05:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, targa50@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: While we are on the subject, I am wondering what others are using to keep the urine smell down in the humidity....I have been using sweet PDZ, odoban, bleach, pinesol, laundry detergent, etc. I still get a smell....any other ideas....I do my runs twice a day in spring,summer, and fall. I have neighbors very close by who wouldn't think twice of calling the zoning officer on me. Pat Lukos **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================