I remember, because we had the honor a couple of times. It is the German Shepherd Dog Club of San Diego county who awarded the BOB dog or bitch the Trophy and the title of Pacific Coast Victor or Victrix. (no I'm not THAT old, but I did do some research for an article on special trophies once) In the early years the ladies of San Miguel, and other on the West coast could only get to the National by train. So they established the Pacific Coast Victor and Victrix trophies. Arelee GSD had 3 who won that title:; CH. Arelee's Woodstock CD, CH. Arelee's Scarlet Tanager, CD. and CH. Arelee's Spellbound. Sweet memories. Both Woodstock and Scarlet Tanager were HS Champion at the Nationals. Spellbound was RWB form the 9-12 class at the National. Scarlet Tanager aka Go-Go was co-owned with Jean Lallensack and Sharon Buckley. Here again I call on Tom and Vivian Brown for more complete details. Beryl Eshom Arelee GSD Davis, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: <TISHW@xxxxxxx> To: <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Pacific Victor > In a message dated 2/13/2005 1:53:08 PM Mountain Standard Time, > Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx writes: > > Lebarland (a great BLACK dog in MHO) was Pacific Victor one year (way back > > when). Was this a separate entity from The National? Was there ever an > > Atlantic Victor? (I am NOT being facetious--I just want to know how it all came > > about.) Thanks in advance. > > > > This was separate from the National. There was a show and the winner was > deemed the Pacific Victor. Can't remember now which show it was but probably > Evan or someone else from the LA area could tell you. There was never an > Atlantic Victor to my knowledge. > > Tish > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================