I'm going to respond to this, as I've been following this "thread" of discussion with some interest and surprise, as well as dismay. I realize that in the past 10 or so years, national specialties have increasingly become somewhat fancy, society type events, and in my opinion that has hurt the specialties globally. With my breed, MUCH smaller in numbers than GSDs, our nationals have gone from one day events to FIVE day events. There is all sorts of hoopla and fussy stuff interspersed in with the actual dog show. I, for one, long for the days of the more simple specialties. I don't need to stay in a 5 star hotel for a week in order to get to go once a year to see what other breeders have going on, and let them see my kids. I want to go for DOGGY stuff, the "social stuff" comes naturally with the doggy stuff, as we all exersive our dogs, go out to lunch together, play and just sit and "talk dogs" all night long. If I had to pay money to just sit at ringside, I would NOT go to a specialty. It seems that the purpose of these shows is getting lost in the "human factor". These nationals are supposed to be a showcase of everyone's best endeavours, so that we can work together to improve the breed. Anyway, I've got a lot more thoughts on this, and I'm ducking for cover now, as I'm a total "nobody" in GSD's, but I am a long time dog breeder and exhibitor, my dogs do quite well in the show ring, and I have more than paid my doggy due-dues! Lynn (hiding behind the bushes) In a message dated 4/13/2005 8:27:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: >Understanding that some of these clubs have consolidated shows, but i think >that fact that our Speciality is ranked #51 really needs some introspection >from our part. How can a breed that is perenially in the top 3 or 4 in >popularity, who' i believe hold the most speciality shows in the country >have a >Speciality show that is ranked so low???? I don't understand the root >cause of this? > >What do people think??? I think that it would help a lot to have these Nationals held at a place that can include all venues AND are accessible to the largest amount of exhibitors. IMO "coastal" is about as bad as we can get. Lynn Brown -Ebonystar Schipperkes - http://www.angelsgaterescue.com Post Office Box 92283 - Long Beach, CA 90809 (562) 428-9832 ...special dogs for special people since 1972 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================