Quite agree with Mike. Surely our judges should be able to judge more thanten dogs per hour. However, I am always for oral critiques in the ring for theplacers if it explains the reasons for the awards, not simply the virtues ofthe dogs; let's face it, they are all good, but why did # 3 go before #2 , etc. ?This is what a good judge should be able to explain. Nor do I want to hearnegative comments; they have no place in a setting such as our national. Carolyn --- On Mon, 10/15/12, Mike & Sheila Metz <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Mike & Sheila Metz <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] National Thoughts To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 1:52 PM We made it, and were flying probably past Nancy and Steve yesterday ;-) That national as always is quite the event, a new Grand Victor and Victrix have been crowned and many happy select owners(34). Wonderful seeing all our friends that we seem only to catch up with once a year. Thoughts; Can we shorten it up with some logistics, say done by 5ish each day 1) I think we should go back to two rings for the puppy classes. 2) Critiques should be written or orally delivered at the Victory Dinner not during the show 3) Create a separate ring for workouts while the presentations are going on Consider two additional judges if the AKC would allow; 1) to perform the temperament test(should also be a qualified temperament examiner) 2) to perform the individual exam(teeth/testicals/etc) Both done in separate ring(s). Quite controversial I'm sure, but would greatly speed up the show. Looking forward to the discussion ;-) regards, M ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ; SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================