In a message dated 12/26/2004 11:46:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx writes: as i cant understand why Germany would allow breeding a mild HD dog.. and stand by the ZW system thanks guys The SV allows breeding to NZ dogs because the dog MAY have other outstanding qualities that are as important as a good hip rating.... As I have said before... I have known many dogs who were classified by OFA as borderline or worse that NEVER had an unsound day in their long lives.... I have also seen dogs that were OFA "good" and "excellent" that had crippling arthritis at 8 years old. Many of their (European) and OUR top breeders have bred dogs with a less than perfect hip rating (in our case borderline) because they had/have other qualities that were also VERY important to the breed. We get so hung up on one aspect, many times, that we forget about the overall picture. Hips are important... and so are elbows (in my opinion more important at THIS time), but there is also structure (proven by movement), and temperament/character/attitude (the most important IMHO). Some breeders stress temperament to such an extent that they are happy to breed a dog with faulty structure (here read movement since structure is proven by movement) and less than stellar hips/elbows just to get the temperament. The same can be said of any of the other qualities we have named. I have also known breeders who would never breed their own bitch who wasn't OFA'd..... they would, however, breed to a dog who had never been x-rayed. I want to know what I am dealing with (on any quality) but I will try not to get locked in on any one quality to the determent of the other qualities I am trying to maintain or acquire. Gary Lewis ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================