IT's worth a repeat, Norma... so here you go Storm On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Gsdbroon@xxxxxxx wrote: In 1913 the standard of the German Sheep Dog, as AKC then called it, though the parent club was The German Shepherd Dog Club of America, had this to say about color. COLOR Black, Iron-gray, ash-gray, Reddish-tan, Reddish-brown, either entirely of one color or with regular markings of reddish-brown and whitish gray, pure white, white with dark spots (Harlequin) or black clouding on gray, tan or light brown with so-called wolf markings on breast and legs.? From 1930 to 1943 the standard said this about color. ?COLOR--All colors are permissible from solid black to solid white, including many variations of brown, grays and mixed wolf colorings, also brindles. White markings on chest and legs are allowed. The undercoat, except in black dogs is always light in color. The color of a pup can only be ascertained after his outer coat comes in. NOTE--While the permissible range of color is extremely wide, the white and very pale or washed-out colors are not deemed so desirable, while albinos, white with red eyes, are to be discarded. The skin of the nose in all cases should be black.? Revised in 1943 this language persisted until 1968. ?The German Shepherd Dog differs widely in color and all colors are permissible. Generally speaking, strong rich colors are to the preferred, with definite pigmentation and without the appearance of a washed-out color. White dogs are not desirable, and are to be disqualified if showing albino characteristics.? It will be remembered that in 1913 the organized breed was still relatively new even in Germany and that a variety of herding dogs from various parts of the country were used in the breed?s development. From that point on, the evolution of the breed proceeded in a tightening process from the very loose description of color in 1913 when color was not regarded as important to 1930 when white was ?not deemed so desirable?. I suspect that sometime in the 1920s or maybe earlier, Captain Max decided that in fixing the type of the breed, having whites along with the other colors was not consistent. Many rationales were given as to why white was undesirable or desirable, but the rationale did not matter because what Max decided ended the argument. I?ve read claims by the whitists to the effect that whites were accepted until 1968. I dispute that. From the very beginning of our attendance at dog shows 60 years ago we knew that white was a no-no. I can only recall one instance of a white actually entering the show ring and of course it did not place. This was before the disqualification was made part of the standard. In the February 1930 issue of ?The Shepherd Dog?, the official magazine of the parent club Dr. J.W. Sherer who was prominent in the Parent Club wrote an article. The article was titled ?The Case Against the White Shepherd Dog?. It included the following: ?I will destroy or have destroyed humanely and quickly all whelps that appear to be weaklings, those showing deformities, white or extremely light ones and those born with heavy dew claws? . This was an attempt to insure that undesirable qualities would not be continually reproduced. In 1958 a standard was written that disqualified dogs that were predominately white, but this was apparently not accepted by AKC, possibly because of the problem of determining what constituted predominately white.. When in 1968 the revision of the standard was being considered, one thing was clear: whites would be disqualified. Bob Reuter was club president living in San Diego and those of us around at the time had many discussions with him. He attended local meetings and shows. He was receiving a lot of heat from the fancy about the whites. Dog World was the main dog publication, which was read by the public, and it carried many ads for ?Rare White German Shepherd Dogs?. This infuriated mast breeders as it misled the public into believing that whites would be welcomed because they were rare. An appeal was made to Dog World to stop the ads and the reply was that as long as white was not a disqualification under our standard they would continue to accept the ads. Once the new standard was adopted Dog World agreed to and did put a cautionary notice at the head of the German Shepherd classified ads to the effect that white was a disqualification under the AKC standard. What I wonder is, why have we not heard from the breeders of Harlequin German Shepherds? I have been steadfastly opposed to the effort to approve whites as a separate breed of German Shepherd because they were by definition a GSD defined by a specific fault, viz. color of white. I felt that if they were to be recognized as a separate breed it should not contain in its title anything identifying it as a German Shepherd Dog. Some recent observations cause me to rethink my attitude. In the Dalmatian breed the dogs have almost universally developed excessively high uric levels which threatens their health. This may be an outcome of the fanciers repeatedly breeding to the major winners ultimately resulting in a shrinking of the gene pool. A few years ago there was much discussion among Shepherd fanciers about the difficulty of finding a pedigree with no Lance in it and the need to broaden the gene pool. In the case of the Dalmatians, some ten years or so one or more Dalmatians were outcrossed to pointers producing animals free of the uric acid problem and these were bred back into Dalmatians so that the descendants seem Dalmatian in every apparent way. The question now being considered is whether these Dals with pointers in their background should now be admitted to the AKC stud book as Dalmatians. I've heard, but not with a certainty, that the white shepherds now being bred seem free from some of the hereditary maladies that afflict our non white dogs. If such be the case they may provide a healthy gene source in the future should any problems begin to decimate our breed. At least we would be going to a source that shares the same breed beginnings as our dogs. Tom Brown ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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