I don't think anyone uses OFA just to do a breeding. It has always been a guideline, but I must admit that seeing an excellent on a stud may want me to sway toward that particular dog. However, from my past experience I must say that even that is no guarantee for the progeny to have good hips and elbows. I found that out the hard way. Someone stated (I think it was Stormy)that one needs to look at the pedigree to see how many OFA's are behind a male or female. Perhaps that is the best way to go, I don't know. This is a very delicate subject and should be used according to what your conscience dictates you. JMHO Lee F. -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ELG440@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 7:56 PM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] My take on OFA In a message dated 8/5/2007 7:43:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CARALAND@xxxxxxx writes: If there is a difference in opinion between the readers the consensus among the three is accepted. I have always been a suporter of the OFA and I still am. But, Jack's post raised my main objection to them. If one of the three, who happens to be the smartest of them all says yes, but the other two say no, the no stands, or the opposite. This shows that there is no objective test, and so we are basing our quality on the majority opinion. Why not say only one person decides, or if all three can't decide, it isn't accurate? After all, to convict someone of a crime, 12 out of 12 have to agree. If there are only 11, there is no conviction. We need to question if there shouldn't be a total conviction at the OFA. Would we want to go 2 out of 3 to put someone in jail? And, yet, we use it to base our breeding program on. We need to use OFA. But, the key is to use it, not follow it blindly or make it the only reason to do a breeding. Evan Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================