Exciting -- brings back so many memories it's great folks. One of the many reasons I thought it would be good to have another breed was - close, short coat, easy to prepare for the ring -- wrong -- My English Pointers had to be sure no dewclaws, face whiskers had to be clipped (stupid, but that was it)! Parts of that short short coat had to be trimmed -- really now! We used to be so glad with our wonderful "natural" GSDs that we had a joke of -- ah, just throw them into the shampoo bowl, run them around to dry and yipeee --- in comparison with other breed preparations ours is definitely easy. Look at all the - oh what do they call that Terrier stuff - oh, stripping and all. Dry -- that is a new one on me, now I think maybe not glossy as in if they have worms or some such the coat looks blaah. Wow, as Laura, and earlier, Paulette mentioned, we know our stuff. Remember my history teacher - "The only unchanging thing is change itself"! I just had eye surgery yesterday, cataract and the entire world is much more clear now!! Have a good one, I am because of you Listers! I HAVE gone thru many many trails of working etc. with my GSDs and always knew that their "proper coats" did protect them - maybe not me, as in extra work pulling briers etc., but I loved them better than any other, but thatsa me. Norma no L ----- Original Message ----- From: <grnram415@xxxxxxx> To: <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Long Coat vs Dry Coat Gosh, I never realized this thread would go so crazy.? Lots of good information and opinions.? So, I have another side to this.? Dry coats.? They seem to be faulted in the ring as well.? I know that folks do major grooming jobs on their dogs, getting them all fluffed up for the ring.? I have done this myself.? The only thing is they will stay fluffy for about 10 mins and be flat when they get in the ring.? That is not to say these dogs don't have undercoat.? They do and I can prove it when they blow coat and their runs look like they are covered in dog hair snow.? I can't believe how much coat they can blow. So, my question is this.? The Standard?states: "The outer coat should be as dense as possible."? Now, if the outer coat is very dense, then it SHOULD close up to protect the undercoat from wet and cold.? Yet, why is a dry coat looked at badly?? Or,?am I totally off base as to what a?true dry coat is?? And, if I am wrong, then I would appreciate some grooming advice on how to keep these dogs with great undercoats and short, dense outer coats, fluffy for more than 10 mins :-) Laura Thomas??? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================