I don't know what "THE BIG PICTURE is for the breed and conformation showing. I know I love BOTH. But I'll let you know what's happened just this year in our small kennel. Last Spring, we took a hit with 3 of our young dogs. When taken to the vet's for preliminary hip and elbow x-rays, our vet discovered serious problems in 3 out of the 4 taken. Besides a $900 vet bill, it was now my job to place those who I would not want shown or bred. (These dogs were all "bought" from reputable breeders and were replaced--no complaints there.) But what a loss--of time, of money, since some of them were trained in the showring by my handlers. On getting my expenses ready for the accountant for the 2004 income taxes, I found that this year we spent $1000 on our all-breed handler who was training our lab pup (training in the ring, in puppy classes) and over $5000 for our shepherd handler. I should say here that our dogs are young. Not one point was earned in any ring. Again, young dogs, nobody's fault. BUT my husband has suddenly decided that he does not want to work for the USPS anymore--I will NOT be able to afford losing all that money in 2005. What should I do? Well, for one, I sold the lab. The only answer is to not show as much. Entries have gone up, handling expenses have gone up (I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS--IT'S JUST REALITY), veterinary care has gone up. I will NOT put any more money in showing young dogs who are not ready to be competitive and who have not been x-rayed clear. I have been doing this since the late 70's--back then my "professional" handler was Gene Heintz, Ellen's husband. And I use the word professional because he had all the right moves--Gene and Ellen did this FOR FREE for me because they wanted a young person to learn and to love the breed like they do. And I do. So, I'll definitely STAY and try to be more cost effective with my money. Does anybody have any other ideas? Penny in NY Ch Kid, Ch Eagle, Deli, Angel, Becca, Witchy and Jeddie . . .and Punky, waiting at the Bridge Penny & Bill Landsend Kennels Since 1974 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================