Actually most shoulder blades in general are laid on correctly most of the time. The problem is with the upright upper arms or short AND straight upper arms...both causing the dog to have it's neck set upright standing and moving like a Boxer or Dobie or whatever.......with restricted front action. When an animal has all 'different' angles of the neck, topline, upper arm, croup, upper stifle..... it is not correct......standing OR in motion. This does not allow for a smooth flowing line standing or in motion. Any artist will tell you that every part is in 'harmony' to the other. i.e...Basically.....the neck should be reasonably at the same angle as the croup, lower stifle and upper arm. Check it out on the dogs that always catch your eye.... When the rear leg is set forward in a pose....the shoulder lay on should be pretty much the same angle as the upper thigh as it is set forward....and so it all goes...all in harmony ....standing and moving. THIS is when you get your easy, suspended ground covering "well- lubricated machine" at a long striding simple ground covering two beat trot. It really is simple. We make it complicated with our incorrect perceptions and extremes. THEN....we need our handlers to get the dog to fly like crazy to give an 'illusion' of correct. <G> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Peggy To: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx ; spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx ; carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:24 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: lay on- lay back There you are...those terrier fronts again!! (great shoulders, short/straight upper arm) Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> > Never thought in percentages, but those that have a proper lay back and > don't use themselves properly often> have short upper arms which will cause them to lack forehand....we see a > lot of this now. > One of the things that I dislike the most, maybe close behind > lifting/lofty > dogs, are those who are too short on leg. Balance again is paramount. > Neither fore nor rear work in conjunction without balance. > > Molly =========================================================================== POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================