WOW!! I honestly did not know that they had DNA markers for bloat or torsion now?? Are you saying they now know the 'carriers' even from the past on a pedigree? How long have they been able to test to know a dog is a carrier? Where is this being done?? Do they know if the inheritance factor is the same in GSD as it is in Great Danes with DNA testing? Is bloat in the Dane Breed affecting their entries........or just OUR Breed?? If Labs and Goldens or St. Bernards have a greater incidence of hip dysplasia tnan our GSD .....why is their entry still "up there" and not being affected? Aren't we down on the list for this at about 43 or47? Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny & Bill To: The List Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Last shows I agree with the economy being PART of the reason that entries are down, clubs are folding and people are turning away from showing GSDs. But it is MORE than that. Entries are still "up there" in Labs, Goldens and MANY other breeds. Entries are increasing in performance events. Why us? The AKC is trying to help show people by continuing to lower the point scale. Why us? Could part of it be that our dogs are DYING young from bloat, torsion, toxic gut? Are people tired of shepherds NOT passing OFA and other health tests? Our CH Brando passed away at 6 from mesenteric torsion. After speaking extensively to Barb Williams about Brando AND ch pointed Jeddie (who bloated and died at her handler's at 5), we went to the pedigrees, where we found the "carriers" of these sicknesses. I believe that many people don't care about these carriers- ????????????? -they want the next big win. Finish them fast, before they croak. With me, ego drives me to show the good dogs--\ but it is much more than that. My dogs are house dogs and pets first, not commodity--and I don't want "my kids" dying young. I try to be careful, but of course (she laughs) there are no guarantees to longevity in life. I thank God every day for Forest-- who will soon be 12. Elvis will be 6 in a few days. Izzy is 3. Cole will be 2 in December. The puppies are babies. Please God . . . When Jeddie passed, I thought I would too. When Brando passed, Billy thought he would too. I didn't breed or show for 3 years. I almost quit. But now I'm trying one last time--to love, to show, to breed. It is SCARY. Do you think there are people like me who have quit? Why did they? Related health problems, as mentioned above? The politics in the show ring? The nastiness and jealousies of some exhibitors and breeders? Any and all! So sure, PART of our problem IS the economy. But WE are our own worst enemy. Penny in NC Farm Dog Forest ******************************************************************************************* Whatever excuses you guys want to make, knock yourselves out. The reality of it all is that it's the ECONOMY!! Look at gas prices, read the paper, listen to the news once in a while and you will see that, for most Americans times are dire. What does one do when times are dire? Cut outunnecessary activities! Usually social activities. I know, because I'm in the Night Club business, and my clubs have gone down almost 40%. Showing dogs or most is a social activity so it stands to reason that they will decline also. More than a dog show has to be offered or a Club will die. There a Clubs doing quite well, thank you. Why? Because they put on more than a dog show. Look to San Antonio, Houston, Kansas City, Sacramento, Indianapolis (just judged there with plenty of dogs and people), to mention a few. What are they doing right? Going that extra mile to be successful. It takes dedication, which mosthave lost. A little Faith would not hurt either. Randy C. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================