Uhhmmnn... I did not want to get this heavy into this discussion because the definition of linebreeding is sometimes muddy. However the reality is that Lance was linebred 4 5,5 on Rosal v Osnabruckerland. On Lance's sire side (Fortune) Rosal was the dam of Lende v Richterbach who was Troll v Richterbach's dam. And Lance's dam, Elsa, was linebred 3,3 on Hein v Richterbach, who was a Rosal v Osnabruckerland son thus making Elsa 4, 4 on Rosal. As has been said before by others, the "R" litter of Osnabruckerland, including Rosal, sisters Reina and Rena and brother Rolf v Osnabruckerland were very popular in Germany and there were many very close breedings done on this litter. BTW, I don't know much about German lines but I understand that Rolf is behind the popular Wienerau dogs. Dania - who dusted some of this information from her Malcolm Willis book. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================