I really don't think Commercial Breeders are suffering like Hobby Breeders are. For some reason even with all of the Dog Legislation out there, Commercial breeders seem to be thriving. I think part of the problem is that AR groups are lumping us in with commercial breeders and government officials are blindly supporting bills with no motivation to dig deeper. Commercial breeders also contribute a fair amount of taxes to local governments which makes this industry desirable to some rural communities. Much of the breeder legislation out there requires licensing fees for unaltered dogs and ridiculous impractical housing requirements; that are either impossible to implement or not affordable for a hobby breeder who does not make an overall profit when it comes to breeding dogs. Just recently here in MN; Morrison County to be exact, permission has been granted for the opening of a 600 dog breeding facility (Just call us the Missouri of the North). The only big factor was neighbors worried about the barking which will be controlled because the dogs will be kept INSIDE. That's 600 breeding dogs that will never be anything more than livestock producing and reproducing in some pole barn. I'm sure disposal facilities for the sick and old will not include trips to the vet with kind words and final goodbyes though for most of those dogs dying will probably be the kindest thing that can happen to them. I know what my personal definition is of a commercial breeding facility and you might want to excuse me when I say it will be a cold day in HELL before I support the rights of commercial breeding facilities; I don't care how legal our laws say they are or how often they are inspected by the USDA; this is a moral issue for me. Besides lets face it; the government's ability to inspect and monitor dog breeding facilities has to be right on the bottom of the priority list. The joke is on the ARists though; because for every law they get passed that makes it harder on me to breed a dog; they create NEED for commercial breeding facilities; and one day in my lifetime; I'm sure that the only way to get a dog will be from one of these operations. Cindy Norma Ramey <gsdramey@xxxxxxx> wrote: Thanks Ginger for sharing. This lady is a busy and good one who could pass as a Chow --- just kidding. I've loved Chows just as much as any good purebred dog. I'm writing to ask a question that may really seem stupid but I'm sorry. Karen adamantly states several times that she gets her dogs from "Commercial Breeders"!! Please identify a Commercial Breeder for me. TIA It's me, Norma the general every day farm woman who had real dogs and never did anything"Commercial" I'd never have that many to be Commercial as I thought that was a business. I also thought to be commercial and a business you'd need to be "large" --- ??? I'm lost here if she's an Ok person I'd like to feel better about the "commercial breeding stuff. Ya'll can answer in private so the list isn't messed up with my stupid stuff here. Norma no L ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================