Kimorr@xxxxxxx wrote:=20 >And the dumbest dog is no doubt the Irish Setter.=20 Sorry. I have to take exception to this. Irish (all 4 of the setter breeds, actually) can be very bright. I won't say outright "intelligent" in the way we consider our shepherds to be. But any setter, Irish included, would probably make a fabulous people trainer. They KNOW how to get what they want and what side their bread is buttered on. I've had Irish and English and I know this to be true for both breeds... You have to be very careful when they are puppies or when actively training them, that they are learning what YOU want them to. Because things that are learned, whether intentionally or not, will usually be remembered forever. Most Irish "play dumb" fabulously! It's in their nature. They are so gosh darned happy about everything (including just being alive), that they often appear to be absolutely clueless. Make no mistake. If you look deep into their eyes, you can see their little minds working. They are just watching you and figuring out how you tick so they can get you to do their bidding! :) I like my shepherds. But I wouldn't want to be alive with my setters! ~*~*~*~*~*~* Karen C. Email: kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================