I don't think breeders should be Independent...they should breed to the Standard as much as possible. Where I believe that we all should be breeding for the correct GSD, I have a hard time feeling that a breeding program should not use a GSD that IS producing as close to the Correct GSD Standard as possible. YES, Too much of that same dog can be digging a hole, but if that dog is producing the correct dogs, why not use him?  Bring the Best of the Best to the Best of the Best... Hummmm...much better chance of getting some darn good ones. Take your offspring then out, get your lines improvement in the places you need, and in the next generations you can even go back to your Top producer in the lines- line breeding. THAT is how we've produced some of the best dogs in the country over the history of the GSD. The best breeding programs are those that know what their lines can produce and need. Over correcting will not work. Bringing a dog with a great shoulder to a female with a great shoulder, you have much better chance of producing great shoulder. You should know, tho, that if that dog has a very weak point ie. bad feet, bad back, poor pigment, etc. these things can and will surface eventulally. I will say, as in the words of the Great producing Late Joan Ford, "Correct Great Shoulder is the harding thing to produce, and the easiest to lose". Tari Kridler http://www.kridlersgermanshepherds.com WEBSITE: www.showgsds4sale .com for Advertising Show Quality GSD's for Free. -----Original Message----- From: VSabiaB@xxxxxxx To: inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 7:17 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: FW: Nationals n a message dated 11/19/2008 11:33:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: hat we have is... breeders who are not being independent, free thinking ndividuals. Instead we have a majority of breeders following the edicts of handful of handlers or cartels. Of course this is not "every" breeder out here, but those free thinking individuals are becoming few and far between. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. his is true, the majority of breedings anymore have the same sire or are lose related to that sire. Someday there is going to be nowhere to go in our reeding program :-( icki Von Charisma German Shepherds_ (http://www.voncharismags.com/) y sunshine does not come from the skies, t comes from the love in my dogs eyes. *************Check out smokin’ hot deals on laptops, desktops and more from ell. Shop Deals http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1213345834x1200842686/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;209513277;31396581;l) ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communicatio n, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================