I agree with Tom and Diane. Having been around in the first days of the List, and survived the Norm fiasco, I am saddened by the nastiness that has taken over the List for more than a year. I am reminded of the Norm days and have contemplated withdrawing from the List daily. When I think about the List Party and the National, I wonder if I really even want to go! If the party conversations are going to be anything like the List conversations, I don't think so. I will miss my Delete key! What an awful example we are setting for the juniors on the List. In addition to some reinstatements, perhaps it is time to rethink, and reinvent, the List. I think we have lost our way. JMHO. Zoa Dr. Zoa Rockenstein www.riverrockshepherds.com ----- Original Message ---- From: "Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx" <Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx> To: Gsdman2@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, October 5, 2007 8:12:29 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Important information ... please read In a message dated 10/6/07 12:44:47 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Gsdman2@xxxxxxx writes: > I urge you to resubscribe Libby, > and Gary and Patty, and then give power back to a balanced group of > administrators who will work toward the same goals that you, Zoe, Libby, > Lissa, Pat, > and I did in the very beginning. > i agree with tom 110%. for those of you who weren't around back then, this list was originally a chat toom, a much easier and, in many ways, better means of communication than email. it got heated at times, usually over german vs. american, but the real problems came in when norm decided to be the wizard behind the curtain and, as tom reminded me, used his position as admin to advance his personal vendettas. thus, the chat room fell apart and, for many, it was a really sad day as we thoroughly enjoyed our nightly chats in "real time". since this email list is now all we have, it would be a shame to see it go the same route - different person, same agenda. offer libby, patty and gary an apology and reinstate them, please. diane Diane Strasser Silstra German Shepherds "In dog years I'm dead." - Author unknown <BR><BR>**************************************<BR> See what's new at http://www.aol.com</HTML> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================