In a message dated 7/4/2006 7:27:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hollywoods@xxxxxxx writes: if not in person, by their association on line.. bad mouthing a judge to me would only reflect on me. not on the judge.. I remember years ago, someone came back from a show in Phoenix and told me that Fred had put up half of the dogs to winners that were from either Paladin, Shiloh or Morgan. I took his catalogue, and went through it. Half the entries were from Paladin, Shiloh or Morgan. I found that to be interesting. I have no doubt that Fred picked his winners as he saw them, and he had no control over who entered under him. Those who did, knew what he wanted to see, and thankfully gave it to him. I am confident it was honest judging. And, I wasn't there. Also, I think I have been doing this too long. I also remember judging in Phoenix when an American Bred Bitch came into the ring. I knew she was a Ben daughter, and I felt she was the best in the ring. I gave her the class, and figured she would be my winner's bitch, and just knew there couldn't be anything better. In Open a bitch started to move, and blew me away. She was just fantastic, and easily won the class. Then in winners class, the Open bitch was an easy winner. After the show, I felt a little better, knowing I had not put up the American Bred Ben daughter. So, I looked in a catalogue, and found out the Open bitch was another Ben daughter. Some days are diamonds, and some days are Ben daughters. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================