Personally, the few shows that I have attended lately may have had smaller entries, but the quality has been very, very good. Breeders will continue breeding what wins, and that bottom line is defined by the judges. On that, Helen is 100% correct. Like anything else, when too much emphasis gets place in one aspect, as in with shoulders, then other things lose importance, and they shouldn't I dont ask my dogs to climb ladders or go thru tunnels, that's not required on the standard. I ask them to do what I tell them to do, just because they live in my house. But they should be able to do any work I ask of them without me being concerned that their ligaments are too lose and they can get hurt doing a turn while herding, or that their neck is too short and keeps them from tracking, or that their topline is soft and they get tired too quick when hiking or swimming. Balance is the key. Not extreme front. Not extreme rear. Balance. More than a movement breed (and I do LOVE a good moving dog) this is a working breed. All pieces must work well together. Once again, there are good judges out there. Do your homework. * Ileana * Love me, love my dogs. In a message dated 6/21/2012 11:28:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx writes: If you have read the letters to the editor in the Reviews and listen to comments of people watching the GSD at shows the GSD are getting negative comments to prove what you are saying below. The GSD does need to be a functional dog and way too many dogs are placing that shouldn't be. I know you get more reach with the way a dog is built but it is not a sound dog in usage if not the breed standard. How many of these GSD's could place in conformation classes, work all day at doing dock jumping, Lure Coursing, weight pull, Agility, etc. I have seen GSD's do just that to become total dog. If a GSD can not then can they herd sheep, climb and go over a ladder, tracking as well as perform in conformation this was what a GSD should be able to do if they conform to even the AKC Standard. There is more to owning and breeding GSD's than a judges choice and placing at a conformation show. Health, temperament, breed standards, soundness in movement should always be the most important. The problem I see is everyone does try to breed for what they believe to be correct but people tend to like what they prefer which not always the standard of a breed. It does not matter what Standard you follow AKC, UKC, FCI, etc. everyone has their preference of what they like as I do. These comments are not directed at any judge, breeder, owner regardless of what you do with your GSD just my views on what I have read and listened to others comments at shows and my own thoughts. Theresa On Wed, 6/20/12, Helen Franklin <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> wrote: Time for Judges to stop putting up dogs with the extreme front reach and the sloppy ass-end. That ass-end IS a very serious fault that our Judges are consciously deciding to downplay in order to put their own personal preference on what wins that day. They are re-writing the Standard. The sloppy dog wins and breeders reproduce same. As our numbers decrease, the All Breed shows become more important. We must now have dogs that can win in both arena's. Time to stop and judge to the Standard. Fronts are not everything, tough I love them too. No more bad asses..............puns intended. Helen Franklin ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================