In a message dated 1/8/2005 11:20:56 AM Mountain Standard Time, dlauffer@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Am CH Odin V Busecher Schloss was called a 'grey' dog. I've never seen a picture of him but I would think there would be one somewhere seeing as he was supposedly never defeated from 1938 to 1942. There is a black and white photo here: http://gsdca.org/GSDReviewed/odogs/OdinBusecker.html Looks like a sable to me, Janice ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================