In a message dated 3/17/2008 1:23:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Dalmatians we call that the "Poodle look". Usually goes with dogs that have very straight shoulders (especially upper arm) that are set way of the front of the body. If you think of how Standard Poodles move - that's the look. I think lots of people find that flashier verses correct. Looks "fancier" in the group ring and too many all-arounders can't tell the difference Some judges like to see this head up look in motion....think it shows attitude. The neck as Nancy described in terminology is being ewe necked. And generally that dog will have the seemingly pushed forward front, and always a very short upper arm. Molly Trillia German Shepherds since 1972 ph 409-287-3940 Member GSDCA, GSDCC, GSDC of Beaumont, Life member CKC "Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic" **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================