[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Genetic Markers/ stand behind / vet care / sorry, long
- From: Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx
- To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx, cauthenl@xxxxxxxxx, psharp212@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Elsyd1@xxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 21:23:22 EST
In a message dated 1/8/2007 12:13:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, >
>
> In a message dated 1/8/2007 1:53:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx writes:
>
> >> I HAVE QUESTIONED WHETHER OR NOT, WE ARE SO AWARE BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE
>> PEOPLE TAKING THESE GS'S TO VETS NOWADAYS AND THEY ARE MORE KNOWLEDGABLE OF
>> ALL THE HEALTH RISK POSSIBILITIES AND THE TESTS ARE SO MUCH MORE
>> SOPHISTICATED, JUST CONSIDER THAT TODAY WE CAN PERFORM MRI'S ON OUR
>> SHEPHERDS...IN STEAD
>> OF THE BASIC X-RAY... FOR EXAMPLE..
>
> Kathy says:
>
> I think it's some of each and now that vets CAN just about diagnose
> everything under the sun, they think they have to use every test in their
> arsenal to
> do so. Case in point, my sister, my very own sister for the love of Pete,
> took one of my guys to the vet for diarrhea (he ate a tiny piece of deer or
> horse poop) she had a CBC by the next morning $$$$$$$!,and the puppy at 9
> weeks
> was given what would be an overdose of Flagyl for an adult dog. He tilted his
> head. (One of the symptoms of overdoing Flagyl). $1,600 later we had an MRI.
> Oh yeah, we needed more blood work, pre-anesthesia, so add another $300. You
> know what my mother would have done? Not fed the puppy for a day and let
> whatever "bad" he ate get out of his belly.
>
> Here's another goofy example. A puppy I sold had pano. I suggested they take
> him off the puppy food they insisted on feeding him. Nope. (Husband was
> worried he may not reach his full growth potential and heck we all KNOW
> bigger is
> better!) Their vet did x-rays. Everything looked good. Pano. They wanted a
> second opinion. (?????) Soooo...they went to a specialist. $1,500 for front
> "limb" x-rays. The x-rays looked fine, but then the vet pulled out a book,
> said
> there were some things you couldn't see in an x-ray and wanted to do what he
> called "an orthoscopic look-see". (WHAT????) I didn't even ask what that
> cost, but what do you think...$4,000? $5,000? I'm not making this up. (For
> those
> in PA/NJ/DE it was Langhorne)
>
> Had a call from a lady over the weekend in tears because her three year old
> GSD had died from on the table from an intestinal blockage (not one of mine
> thankfully.) BUT during our conversation she let it slip that she had
> purchased the dog from a SCH dog breeder, they got in over their heads and
> had to
> hire a professional trainer to socialize the dog. He came to them ($$$$), and
> in
> the process, taught the dog to enter the house before them and do a sweep
> for intruders. Cha-ching. Nice trick. Ok, back to health. The dog had elbow
> dysplasia. What kind? Didn't know. BUT he had $4,000 worth of surgery which
> included breaking his leg to redistribute his weight. HUH? Say WHAT? And,
> then he
> needed physical therapy. (The ortho guy was from DE, I didn't recognize the
> name.)
>
> (You know, come to think of it, our first GSD, a rescue, would limp once in
> a while. He was quite the scrapper. In those days all the kids played with
> all of their combined dogs and once in a while he'd get in trouble. We had
> hydrogen peroxide on hand for scrapes and if he looked sore, we gave him an
> orange flavored St. Joseph's baby aspirin. He never had an MRI, actually,
> never
> had an x-ray, never was knocked out and you know, we never broke one of his
> legs either! He did get a chicken bone stuck on the roof of his mouth once
> going
> through the neighbor's trash, which mom hit out with a hammer and screw
> driver, and he did cut a pad playing in the creek, which necessitated a trip
> to
> the vet to have the excess cut off, muzzle and topical spray numbing agent,
> no
> anesthesia, but it couldn't be stitched, so we just let him wear socks until
> it healed so he didn't get blood all over mom's carpet...)
>
> Different dog, not a GSD. My aunt has a friend in her 70s whose mom is in
> her 90s. She had a little (very old) dog diagnosed with cancer. The vets did
> everything under the sun to try and save the very old dog. No expense was
> spared. Well, the dog died. The mom got the final bill along with a sympathy
> card
> and lovely flowers. She was afraid to open the bill. So....my aunt's friend,
> being a good daughter said, don't open it mom, send it to me and I'll take
> care of it. Holy-Moly the vets should be sending this lady flowers every week
> for the rest of her life!!!!
>
> So...I think these things were always there, I think there needs to be some
> common sense when addressing them and WHEN we have accurate and reliable
> tests, I think they should be utilized. In the meantime, I hope people aren't
> made to feel like bad parents when they decline certain things for their
> beloved
> pets and don't turn their pets into science projects.
>
> Barbara says:
>
> >>
>> .' THERE ARE MORE THINGS UNDER THE SUN, HORATIO, THAN YOU HAVE DREAMED
>> OF'...
>> THAT PHRASE...KEEPS REPEATING ITSELF IN MY MIND AS I LEARN MORE AND MORE
>> AND TOO MUCH...WE HAVE TO REALLY STOP FIGHTING AND REALIZE THAT
>> 'HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!!'
>> THEN FACE IT HEAD ON AND FIGHT IT...
>> OUR DOGS WILL BREED INDISCRIMANETLY, IT IS UP TO US TO BREED THEM THE VERY
>> BEST WAY WE KNOW HOW AND TO USE ANY AND ALL INFORMATION THAT IS OUT
>> THERE...THAT EVEN "JUST MIGHT' HELP.".
>> THEN STAND BEHIND 'OUR PRODUCT' 100 % ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE...
> Kathy says:
>
> AND FYI, I'm rethinking the stand behind 100% thing too. I know it's an
> unpopular thought, but here are two more things that happened in 2006. A dog
> I
> bred 5 years ago was allowed to bleed out from meds he was given for Lyme
> disease. He's very dead. It was his second bout with Lymes. There's so much
> wrong
> with this on all levels, I don't know where to start, but I don't feel I need
> to stand behind...nice people, don't get me wrong...
>
> A dog I bred the year before that, now 6, had a suspicious mass. They
> knocked him out once, did surgery for a sample to biopsy. Negative. Then they
> knocked him out again, more surgery to remove it. Now, I ask you, why the
> need for
> two surgeries???? Why not just remove the mass when you are in there and
> THEN go crazy with biopsies??? Why put the dog and the FRANTIC owners through
> TWO procedures, when one would have done? No, I don't blame the owners, but
> when you have vet care like the above, just HOW MUCH is the breeder expected
> to
> stand behind??? I don't mean "stand behind" as in take the dog back, (yes, if
> someone can't keep a dog you take it back), but stand behind such as offer
> to replace or offer to pay for certain services. Oh, and just to complete
> this...the mass?...proud flesh that grew at the site of his neutering. (For
> those
> in PA , Hickory Run )
>
> I know I'm not alone with horror stories, so I ask again, and I'd love to
> hear, "when you have vet care like the above, just HOW MUCH is the breeder
> expected to stand behind???"
>
>
> Kathy
> member GSDCA, DVGSDC
> three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here!
> visit Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs
> KATHY: AS DIFFICULT AS IT IS, AND IT IS OFTEN TIMES MOST HEART-RENDING...
> WE MUST SURELY STAND BEHIND THEM ALL, AND TRY TO MAKE SENSE OUT OF OFTEN
> NONSENSE AND DO OUR VERY BEST FOR THEM...BARB W.
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