It is humbling - the most humbling dog training experience I have ever had. The dog just understands so much better. It sure teaches you a lot about teamwork. I forgot about the tests - normal PT runs should not be a problem if the dog has had any kind of work. For HT you just need a dog with a some control or a good handler and you should be able to do it without much, if any, prep. It was an all-breed trial so we don't even know how many of them were GSDs. Hopefully they had some test level sheep and were not running trial sheep. Ruth ________________________________ From: "Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx" <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:42 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSDCA National Herding Trial Yes, I agree. I wondered about the tested runs too...none at all in PT? (I always found PT easier, using the fence as a guide, who knows?) And low for HT, but perhaps first trials for some teams? Or maybe the sheep weren't used to "big hairy dogs" and scattered????? So would be interested to hear.... I will say herding has always been one of the most humbling things I have found to do with a dog <G>. My personal learning curve on how to read sheep was just awful! Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 9/26/2011 10:16:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx writes: I would love to hear about the trialss also. No Q's in B is not surprising as that is the most border-collie style course and while a GSD can work it, it is not as easy with an upright dog who naturally works close to the stock rather than a low running speed burner who works well off the stock. No Q's on C is what I would like to know about. Where those sheep a flock or a collection of sheep put together for the run? I don't know who trialed so I do not know how well they work, but that 30-45 min Advanced C run can be incredibly challenging if those sheep were used in small groups on B or A previously and then moved to C a few days before. It makes it an interesting training challenge when practicing for a few hours but not so good for trail day. But I am speculating and not talking from any info from the trial. I would assume that if the dogs and handlers are experienced, a couple of trials used as practice with the flock will make them all work better on the GSD only day. I saw Reserve came off Advanced A and it is good to see those dogs/sheep are working well. Not surprising that HIT came out of Started as the difference in difficulty between Started and Advanced is very high, and a well trained and handled started dog has a bit of an edge. But that dog does have to be well trained and handled - it is not a gift. Ruth ________________________________ From: "Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx" <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] GSDCA National Herding Trial Looking at the results, there are an incredibly low number of qualifiers. Would love to hear about the conditions from any of the participants. We had: 3 of 8 (shown) qualify in HT ZERO out of 8 shown in PT 1 of 5 in Started ZERO qualify in Intermediate 3 of 9 in Advanced and then NO qualifiers on either B or C course. Huh? The dogs and handlers who did qualify...huge congrats for success!!!! Just wondering what the heck happened? Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) ===========================================================================P OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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