----- Original Message ----- From: DORIS HERBERT<mailto:Adorhergsd@xxxxxxx> To: Tindrock1@xxxxxxx<mailto:Tindrock1@xxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [gsdshowlist] Where have all the entries gone?...  I think if we support the spec clubs in the region we live in maybe that will help with the entrees.we are in charlotte and not many entered at our show like the atlanta area and many breeders close to our shows.the handlers bringing dogs in from different states but the breeders in our areas do not help the clubs with entrees,I know that we say these judge donâ??t like my dog,but please think about it.if we support the club in our regions we can have a super entrees with really good dogs.to many breeders in these area are not willing to support the near by clubs.hope that we think about these,these is my observerthing,thanks for read about these and think about these for the future shows coming up in the south east,doris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tindrock1@xxxxxxx<mailto:Tindrock1@xxxxxxx> To: fk.fasano@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:fk.fasano@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: gsdshowlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:gsdshowlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [gsdshowlist] Where have all the entries gone?... We must get to the root of the problem in order to resolve the issue, which, in this situation, is to improve entries and things of that nature. With all of the people at the futurities who didn't show, may I ask if anyone asked them why they were not showing? Does anybody know? I was up front with my own situation, that I do not like to travel as previously, but we should find out why others are not showing and see what we can do, and to offer options. What about offering a survey to the membership, gathering the data, and asking them what would entice them to start showing again? May I ask if we've already done that, because I can't remember doing so, but it's a thought. Cheryl In a message dated 6/24/2012 8:07:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fk.fasano@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:fk.fasano%40gmail.com> writes: Let us stop talking about how it was and do some innovative thinking. Ideas I have heard form Cappy and Gloria , juniors training camps in the summer. Handling and grooming. Obviously, it would need to be a little broader than just 24 hour a day dog training. Other fun stuff included so they don't get bored. However, what a great step forward. anyone else remember summer camp. Not sure who gets the credit for this but a Juniors National in the summer. Remember guys when we were kids the schools had no problem if we traveled with our parents during the school year. They called it real life education or something like that. Not anymore. So many days missed and they hold you back. Most horse breed clubs have gone to a summer show for the youth. Maybe we could rotate it around the country and tie it into a Fut/Mat. If we build it they will come. They are the future of our breed. Let us dream up a plan. Kris Sent from my iPad On Jun 23, 2012, at 8:09 PM, _Tindrock1@xxxxxxx<mailto:_Tindrock1%40aol.com>_ (mailto:Tindrock1@xxxxxxx<mailto:Tindrock1%40aol.com>) wrote: I don't know the answer either but I know that as I have aged, I do not like to travel like I used to when I was young. To me, traveling is such a hassle and I don't remember it being so when I first was starting out. I couldn't wait to show my dogs and get to the dog shows, now, it's almost like I prefer to send them out with my handler. I used to travel to all of the specialty shows in NY, CT, NJ, PA, etc., with multiple dogs, usually one I was seriously campaigning and a puppy, maybe even a special. I ventured out this year to 2 Fut weekends, and in VA, saw all of my friends from the northern (east coast) states for the first time in 5 years since I moved to Atlanta. It was great seeing everyone! But it seemed no one was showing; they were visiting and having a great time, but not showing. The futurity was small, and the specialty shows were small. Sure they held majors, but with 11 or 12 dogs constituting a major these days, that is hardly a big show. So, where are the entries? I don't think it's the judges, at least not with me. I don't see the quality out there like the good old days. Used to be the first 4 placings in most of the classes were highly competitive dogs and bitches, but today if there are 2 dogs and/or bitches in the entire show that are really nice (in my opinion), that is all that you see these days. Thanks for listening, Cheryl In a message dated 6/23/2012 9:55:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx<mailto:_EKOLAN1%40aol.com>_ (mailto:EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx<mailto:EKOLAN1%40aol.com>) writes: Tom apology Accepted . I have read what you just wrote hundreds of times through the years your right these are our problems we all know the problems what we need are solutions viable ones. Some say education of judges is the answer [ I agree] but then the question comes who will be the teacher will it be you heck I have disagreed with you so one of us is wrong will it be me lots of people disagree with me how about Dave R. or Ed B. or Lew B. or Frank F.. You see the problem with that answer is we have no supreme being who we all agree is the last word in evaluating our breed. Reading the standard won't do it because 10 people can read the same thing and their minds eye interprets it a little or a lot different. Naturally I think I am always right but then the next person is just as sure they are. I wish I had the answers but I don't. Fred Migliore In a message dated 6/23/2012 1:05:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __Gsdman2@xxxxxxx<mailto:__Gsdman2%40aol.com>_ (mailto:Gsdman2@xxxxxxx<mailto:Gsdman2%40aol.com>) _ (mailto:_Gsdman2@xxxxxxx<mailto:_Gsdman2%40aol.com>_ (mailto:Gsdman2@xxxxxxx<mailto:Gsdman2%40aol.com>) ) writes: My apologies for the length of this post, and for any rambling. 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