Hi: I got some private replies asking me what I meant by angulation in the hocks. If you look at the picture I sent today of my Amber, you will see that her hocks while she is standing turn in towards her body. They don't stand straight up and down. Her daughter has the same angulation in the hock.....turning slightly towards her body, rather than straight up and down. I noticed this about her when she was first walking around at 4 weeks. Her daughter is NOT steep in croup. Infact, she has a beautiful croup. This puppy when she is gaiting in the house, gets her hindquarter well under her and follows through in the rear. It's a very strong driving rear. The best way to explain what I'm talking about would be to look at the kind of angulation that you would have seen the Fran-Jo dogs have back in the 70's and 80's. At that time, people were saying they were so angulated that they were walking on their hocks. My girls are not that extreme that their walking on their hocks, but they have that same angle to the hock that turns in towards the body. I hope this makes it a little more clear what I'm trying to say. Best wishes, Barbara -- Barbara J. Galasso CHIEFTAINS GERMAN SHEPHERDS Visit my website at http://chieftainsgermanshepherds.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================