[ SHOWGSD-L ] From Peggy....Re: Re: critiques and fall out

From: Stormy Hope <stormy435@xxxxxxxxx>
To: GSD List <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:41:25 -0800
On Jan 17, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Peggy wrote:



   There's a way to learn how to do an acceptable critique...not as  
detailed as the European way, but usually acceptable...   if you have  
access to a 4-H group find out if they are taught to compete at the  
State level in a "gives and grants" competition......usually done when  
judging livestock (e.g., beef or dairy cattle)...

  In cases like these, there are judging teams...one team competes  
against the others (it can be done individually, but usually this is  
only done to earn a place on a team)......A class is placed and the  
spokesperson for the team gives the critiques from notes...but reads  
them aloud.   It's called learning "gives and grants," because you  
"give" credit and while you may find a weakness or fault, you "grant"  
that you acknowledge that, but can forgive it because you have had to  
"give" so many good points.
       This might not satisfy Lyn, who apparently wants a complete  
critique on every entry--but it is a good way to learn and actually  
the way most judges who judge dogs really work...........they see the  
good points and the faults...if the good outweighs the bad, that's how  
the dogs are placed........... or should be.
         Peggy


       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Chernak" <cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx 
 >


> A critique can be a useful tool in more ways than one. It will make  
> the judge accountable. It can be a learning tool for both the novice  
> and the experienced person. However the critique should be uniformed  
> in that it covers; structure, temperament, movement and any faults  
> that should be noted. This should be applied to each dog. Some of  
> the critiques that had appeared in the Review years ago would  
> comment about the 1st place dog and then the remaining ones had  
> comments such as " wasn't as nice as or didn't move as or whatever  
> to the 1st place dog. What I would like to hear is the whys. When I  
> see a dog spook or has trouble being approached, what made the dog  
> earn the 1st place over the others or the dead-tail, how did that  
> dog get 1st.


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