The normal TLI score for a dog that does NOT have EPI is 5.7---45.2. I believe GSD may be a little lower. For anyone who wants to know about EPI here is an awesome sight to look at www.epi4dogs.com. Amy Greenhut Justrock German Shepherds Gen Oak Leopard Tortoises &  Tortoise Rescue Behold The Turtle,  He Makes Progress Only When He Sticks His Neck Out A Quote By James B. Conant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arcturus" <Arcturus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "thelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:32:04 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] EPI questions Does anyone know what the levels are that GSD's commonly have?  I was told normal is 5 to 45, but that GSD's are usually on the low side?  Thanks!  Sue T ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008.  All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================