I received an email from someone on the list with reference to Lucas, it seems they have him in their pedigree, I accidently deleted the email could they contact me again. In the meantime Lucas was a beautiful, sable male, born April 25,1977 with an excellent loving disposition, he was shown by my daughter Mary, and had 13 pts, when he was sold to a lady in Indiana, who promised to finish him. Needless to say promises were not kept. He was sired by Ch. Padechma's Gotcha and my beautiful Ch. Tannenwalds Igor daughter, Deb-Mar's Belle Star ( her mom was Grafine Stern of Troymara (Star) my first dog and she was 3/4/ German 1/4 American pedigree) a little compact close coupled sable girl with a great sidegait and heart. Due to circumstances at that time I was not able to finish her or Lucas. My Belle lived 14 years here at Deb-Mar and was shown by Ken Rayner Sr. She had 7 pts. Great Memories, Diane The list has been talking about sable coat color Lucas was more grey (Wolf color)( and at the time he was shown it was much harder to finish a sable) than the rich red mahogany color of my Champion Deb-Mar's Luciano Home of 1985 GV.Ch.Ossipee Ceasar v Clover Acre CD OFA ROM,ROMC & Cavalier King Charles Spaniels _www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com/) www.debmarscavalierkingcharlesspaniels.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================