Here are some of them in not particular order, the rest basically said the same things:: not spay/neuter. Just structurally. Not gait, not anything but structure (and pigment :-) ------------------------------------ I believe the rule was put in so a white coated dog could not be named obedience victor (or whatever the title is). They can be neutered which is a fault. Petty if you ask me. --------------------------------------------------------- A GSD can not be Obedience Victor/Victrix at the National if it has any disqualifying BREED faults...per the standard. I was told this rule was put into effect when a white (Oh my God - Heaven Help Us <g>) GSD had the highest score many years ago and became Obedience Grand Victor. Also, for any of the progeny who's performance titles give points to the dam or sire for the --- my mind has gone blank --- the award for the sire and dam who have produced progeny with the most working titles....The progeny either have to have a placement ribbon from an AKC show or have a letter from an AKC judge saying they are free of disqualifying faults per the standard. I don't really agree with this, as it is a lot of work for the owners who just want to show in performance. One of my bitches, has a ton of progeny with working titles, but I just find it too much to ask their owners to go through the procedures to get them certified so I can submit all the paperwork. JMHO. Mike Gray ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================