In a message dated 6/14/2005 9:57:02 PM Central Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: I think the intent was to showcase the dogs. The judge should not make a difference. If we want to make it a show for competition, then let's drop the age limitations and award points. -------------------------------------- If it weren't for competition, there would be no placings. Points aren't the only goal in showing dogs. If you made the futurities a noncompetitive puppy match, without even placings, no one would go and no dogs would be showcased. It is the prestige of winning a futurity, or maybe just the competition itself, that drives people to show in them. Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================