Hi All; Well, I am going to put my two cents in and tell you all I agree with Paul, this should be an individual decision of the owner. I do think that it should be done by a Vet not by the breeder. This is only a step for the AR's, just like Guardian instead of owner. If language is changed to Guardian, it will take away your rights as an owner. One of the ramification of this term who be interfering in your rights as an owner on say your dogs medical treatment. Say you wish to do chemo treatment, some AR gets wind of it, (and yes they can) and they can proceed to go to court and get an injunction to stop the chemo for they feel you are putting the animal through unnecessary pain. Folks, I am a child of Woodstock and I still will stand up and fight for my rights as that is what this country was found on and right \ now the AR's are trying a little at a time to take away those rights. If we do not stand up together and oppose them we will lose the battle and are dogs, cats, and for that matter all other animals will be gone because that is their agenda. I also want to say something about pain and ears. On New Year's 2000 as my husband was putting everyone in their crates in the kennel room, he had all the GSD's in, and took the Basset down, as she walked passed my Risky's crate, she bite the tip of her ear off that was sticking out (she was drinking from her hanging bucket). Risky near made a sound, it was not until my husband turned around to go up stairs that he saw blood everywhere. Took 5 stitches to close the wound. Cathy Kelstar Catherine Murch fmurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================