I'll never forget seeing the picture in the original, very expensive and maybe not available now - of Max's information about these great GSDs. There was a picture of a solid black named ROLAND. Years ago, in Florida, a man had a brother or half brother to PHANTOM. He named his kennel after ROLAND because of the blacks. His dog was ICON and the kennel was RS (there were 2 other letters but the first meant ROLAND STANDARD. My foundation bitch was from that kennel. Now we're talking late 60s or early 70s when I did this. Later, still loving the blacks, I purchased a JJ son (black and red) and sent that bitch, or it could have been a daughter of hers, so long ago (Senior moments) to N.J. to be bred to - NOT JJ but his Dad --- a really fine guy, to establish the black and good pigment I've always had. I do not really know the true reason he did not allow white, since, as I've pointed out, white does blend in with the sheepies!! Also, as I've seen, the wolf color (sables) and the dark black and tan etc. may allow the predators to be more careful in their approaches because of this. It's very interesting and I'm enjoying this thread very much. Long coats are OK in the German competition. That, I think at this time, is an only in America thingy. ENJOY AND DO CONTINUE IT IS GOOD TO LEARN! Norma no L ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================