He was probably satisfied that they were not sound and that is all that matters. I know last year I had a large class and I faulted all the best bitches for temperament. I ended with some not so nice in structure but they were sound in temperament so I awarded them the placings. I think if a judge is satisfied that in his opinion they are not sound then there is no need to blow them out of the ring and embarrass the owners and handlers. That is my take on the temperament situation. That is how I do it whether it be a National, Specialty or all breed and that is in every breed that I judge. Lee Brown Too far from the womb and too close to the tomb to care about what anyone thinks of me. In a message dated 10/14/2010 12:53:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, VSabiaB@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 10/14/2010 1:45:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx writes: I thought he said for obvious reasons he withheld all the ribbon expect the second place and that went to Lesli. I could be wrong but I am thinking that Leslie took second place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The girls lowered their heads a little, BUT they recovered and the judge was able to pet them so I don't understand. Like I said maybe I am blind :-( ~Vicki Von Charisma German Shepherds www.voncharismags.com My sunshine does not come from the skies, It comes from the love in my dogs eyes. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================