Wouldn't that would be possible if both the sire and the dam had 1 color marker for sable and 1 for b/t (black and tan)? Actually, (statistically) there should be 25% of the litter who were b/t. As I understand dog genetics, both the sire and the dam carry 2 color markers (plus the "saturation" marker for the extent of the b/t or sable). A sable may have either 2 sable color markers or 1 sable color marker with another color marker such as b/t (or black, etc.). If one sable parent carries 2 sable markers and the other parent carries 1 sable marker and 1 b/t marker, you should always get sable puppies, regardless of the non-sable color marker carried by the other parent. However, some of the puppies should have only 1 sable marker with the b/t recessive behind it, so you could get b/t puppies from an offspring bred to a b/t. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> To: <sally@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeding two sables... will you get any b/t's? > > > > > In a message dated 4/27/2007 6:44:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > sally@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > years ago I bred a sable Mannix of fran-Jo daughter to sable Beau of fran > jo > and and 3 sables and 3 black and tans > > > > Yup, and I bred one of my sables to Goodtime Charley and got 7 sables, 2 > BT. > Molly > > Trillia German Shepherds since 1974 > Member GSDCA, GSDCC, GSDC of Beaumont, Life member CKC > If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your > pocket > and then give him only two of them>>>>Phil Pastoret > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL > BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================