Oh I would certainly have to agree on that. I can not think of any breeder that would breed a diagnosed EPI animal. I think the main discussion is not knowing who the carrier is/are (if indeed it takes two) and to what length one goes to remove either or both from the gene pool. At least that is my take on the subject. Chris Chris S. (Jolley) Kimerer www.tanbarkgsd.com AOE Sel.Ex.Ch.Carousel Farms Samantha, PT, TC OFA H/E Ch. CaralonQED JD Drew Bleibtreu OFA H/E Ch. Cresthers Blast V Kenlyn OFA --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Cynthia VanDenBerge <vande001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Cynthia VanDenBerge <vande001@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeder Responsibility--Pup has EPI: TERMS To: "Show GSD List" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 8:44 PM This has been an interestoing discussion, but I would caution some of you on your terminology. some have said that they believed that either sire or dam or both had to have EPI; what I think you mean is that there must be one or more carriers who have a genetic predisposition to EPI but are not active in the disease, I can not fathom any reputable breeder breeding any animal who actually exhibited the disease......right? Cynthia. ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================