I don't think Barbara was denigrating everyone but breeders so much as making the exact same point. Some breeders EXCEL at what they do. You are exactly right Paula! Not everyone is a "Breeder"........and not every breeder is good at exhibiting or promoting and definitely not great at handling or conditioning a dog. <G> In the Sport of showing dogs we have "Breeders"....good Breeders are the very foundation of the Breed IMO. ( It starts there ) We have "Exhibitors"........they are the ones that prove our animals are good... or great. "Handlers".........they are the ones that show our dogs to perfection...often hiding or making a fault less noticeable and accenting the animal's great points....with finesse. We have "Judges".....they are who we have to prove our breeding program to. <G> Sometimes they buy it.....sometimes they don't. <G> Not everyone is good at all of the above. Not everyone want's to become a Judge. Doesn't mean they can't....and they can't do a great job....just not an interest for them. Not everyone is capable of judging honestly and intelligently. Not everyone is capable of handling. It takes not only athletecism...but a good handler has knowledge of the Breed....KNOWS a good dog....KNOWS what to accent and to 'hide' .......and knows the shows and judges where the dog should be shown. Not everyone is a good Breeder. Some need to follow their handlers advice....or follow the best promoted stud dog.....some have a 'vision'....know and love the Breed and know the Standard and exactly what they want to produce in the whelping box. Exhibitors are a special part of this Sport....some are GREAT Exhibitors and take a dog to the heights of it's career......and not everyone can or will do that. We need them too. Conditioners and trainers are often the hardest working and least appreciated on this ":Totem Pole" of a dogs career. Some of us do most of above....some just do one part....and a chosen few do it all. They are few and far between. The KEY......is to KNOW this Breed....and KNOW the Standard for your Breed....and do what you do the BEST YOU CAN DO.....and love your dogs all the time!!! Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Paula M. Cooke To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Congrats and Breeder Brags You can say that again, about breeding being a "special gift," but, please don't denigrate us buyers and exhibitors!! Did you ever try to buy a good one? Took me (just an "anyone," as you put it) 34 years for someone to give me one to show successfully! Thank heavens for breeders; I do not have the heart, the stomach, the eye, nor the talent to breed good ones, let alone bad ones!!! :-) :-) Paula, 373 days and counting Home of BIS, BISS, Multi-Group Winning, 2 Time AKC JAM/AOE, Intern'l & Am CH, Silver Grand Champion Asgard Harley Davidson, HT, PT, CGC, TC, HIC, OFA CHIC #64047 (Hips, Elbows, Cardiac, & Thyroid),.1st male GSD Grand Champion. 2010 #1 GSD in California, Lifetime #1 GSD in Michigan, 2010 #1 GSD male in USA (AKC GCH Stats), 2011 Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show Invitee. 2010-2011-Lifetime AKC Eukanuba invitee. 2 Time Cruft's Invitee. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Barbara Amidon <amidon481@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [gsdshowlist] Congrats and Breeder Brags Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:22:12 GMT A big congrats to dennise holister for breeding such beautiful animals..Anyone can buy and show good ones but to breed them is a special gift..Barbara Amidon ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================