You mean a judge could ask the group to keep moving until they were told to stop?? Oh that would be fun. I just assumed that because judges ask for one or 2 laps that was the rule. Hell why not 5 or 6 laps. :0) Terry --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: re: Boring National? To: fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx Cc: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:30 AM There is no rule about how many times a dog can be sent around. Where on earth did you come up with THAT idea? I do believe that doing any kind of "survey" in the breed ring is frowned upon.......there may be a time and place for such things...as a separate event. In spite of the leeway given (regarding time per dog) to most specialty shows, the AKC does not require written critiques and these are not supposed to be part of the AKC procedure. I have been involved with breeds that ask for critiques from specialty shows, but the time the judges take is brief...perhaps the judge carries a small tape recorder, records a critique at the time, and that critique is published later in a breed magazine. Usually these critiques are only of dogs that place--no critiques are provided for unplaced animals. I wasn't at the show...I agree there is too much down time, and I understand that quite a few people left the building during bitch specials, to stand around in the parking lot having something to eat, cocktails, or just to talk...and I do think it is sad that the momentum of judging was apparently so lethargic that people felt happier walking away. This is not Germany...we do not walk, and walk, and walk our dogs (in any breed, least of all this breed). I don't have a problem with the winners, and because I was at the Pity Party, I can't comment on who was bored, who wasn't....but as Barbara and others have said, the membership elects the judges. Maybe there was "block" judging, maybe not. Maybe in the future, those of us who have not shown a dog in the previous year should not be allowed to vote... ooooo.....totally new concept, eh? Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Cochran" <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ELG440@xxxxxxx>; <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Boring National? Borning is in the eye of the bored > I know but I don't think the AKC would let the true German style take > place. Isn't there an AKC rule that says you can only take 2 laps at a > time? In the German ring they ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================