For quite some time AKC did not have bi colors as a color on the AKC. Reg. You could NOT get your dog AKC Registered as a bi-color... Our U.S. AOE Grand Victor Mar Haven's Color Guard..a DEFINITE BI-COLOR was AKC Registered as a black and tan. AKC would not allow us to reg. him as a bi-color. I imagine that is one reason whites came in as # 4 in colors.....as there has always had LOTS of bi-colors..but they were Reg. as black and tans. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Chris S. Kimerer I don't think the GSDCA had anything to do with that. AKC does the color choices, the standard has always labeled blues and livers as serious faults and white as a DQ (since the last revision in the 60's) I'm sure I will be corrected if that is not right, but none the less, I do not think the GSDCA has a say so over what is put on the AKC registration slip. More and more color patterns have been added to that over the years, but so far no piebald/panda marking (thank goodness). I think Vicki sums it up very well, and just because a certain color is registered does not make it a correct color, no matter what the statistics say. Chris Chris S. Kimerer Tanbark-Hillside Kennels, http://www.tanbarkgsd.com/ "where good bloodlines never die" On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:42 PM, Jen Proud <proudk9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Vicki wrote: >"Many, many AKC breeds have standards that excludes certain colors and markings as they are not typical for the breed." >Just a clarification- using akc's most recent available registration statistics, for many years WHITE was the #4 color registered- behind black/tan, black/red, and sable only. It did slip to #5, going behind blacks for the 2003-2005 years, but yet still ahead of all the other colors/patterns available. With a minimum of 2500 registered (and that was behind blacks at just below 2600) in white, I don't think qualifies as being an atypical color for the GSD breed. >Just an observation there. >Just think: had the GSDCA not been after the dollar way back when all the "off-colors" would have been thrown out of the breed altogether rather than being eligible as any otherwise than the dollar; unwanted in the breed anymore. This whole white situation would have been avoided had the Americans followed the Germans lead back then. But then we've always bucked at the idea as Americans of following a Kraut (meant facetiously) anyhow. >I have often wondered why that never happened like that...? > >Jen P & the Pack forever curious > > >JayDee's Proud-Haus Shepherds/Proud K911 >www.jaydeesphs.com >Committed to the Total Dog you can be Proud of!!! >AKC Breeder of Merit >=========================================================================== >POST is Copyrighted 2012. 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