In a message dated 11/17/10 6:29:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, murfamx4@xxxxxxx writes: The AKC can ban anyone for behavior they deem inappropriate. If they have banned her for life why would she ever pay the fine????? It is a double punishment and the fine is not collectable. As to why they levied both punishments? It is my opinion that it was done incase in the future she appeals to have her ban lifted they can still impose the fine. I think they were just covering their bases. The same thing happens with the State Bar. They fine an attorney and suspend him. Even if for life, if he applies in the future, then he has to pay the fine before he is reinstated. I defended two AKC handlers that were suspended for life. We tried the case at the AKC in New York. The trial was in front of three AKC employees, with an attorney prosecuting the case from the AKC. After the hearing I said: "Let me get this straight. I am defending against the AKC in front of three AKC judges, with a prosecutor from the AKC and you think I am getting a fair trial? We settled with a three month suspension and no fine. Sometimes life time suspension does not mean life time. A life sentence in California is seven years. Maybe it is the life of the Brazilian Gnat Catcher. That is why often someone is given life plus a day, or consecutive life sentences. How do you figure half time if you have a life sentence? Figure when someone was going to die, and let them out half way? Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================