Interesting...I would help anyone on earth with whelping, if only to save the mom from any undue pain or fear. I know how you feel, but these are dogs, and all dogs are equal in my eyes. Forget the owners...they don't count. If things go badly, and they need you, that would be a lesson for them in itself. If things go really badly, and the bitch (es) need a section, that alone will cure them, but you need to be there to prevent unneccessary suffering. It is about the dogs. Shalom, Syd In a message dated 1/19/2005 8:44:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, silvermoongsds@xxxxxxxxx writes: Okay, I have a bit of a dilemma that I'm hoping the lists can help me with. I have two neighbors, one two doors down and the other on the next street, that have decided that since they have pure bred dogs that they would breed. One neighbor with a rotti that bred to another rotti up the street and the other with a standard poodle that bred to her other standard poodle. Neither of these neighbors know what they are doing and I have preached till blue in the face about responsible breeding ( they have asked why I haven't had a litter ) and the fact that breeders don't get rich off of breeding. The dilemma is that they have both approached me on helping them with the pups, one actually wanting me to help whelp the litter. I told them both I would think about it, but I really don't want to get involved. These people have been great neighbors and enjoy their company normally but feel that the motive behind this is greed and I don't condone it. I also don't want to contribute to th e unwanted dog population that I know some of these pups will end up in. How do I tell them I don't want to be involved with this or am I just being petty and give them the help they request? Luanne Crinklaw Silvermoon German Shepherds Mesa, AZ Home of Chenoa's Kindred Spirit, and Chenoa's Great Adventure ( waiting at the bridge ) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ SYD MAILBERG 425-432-4144 23910 SE 276TH ST MAPLE VALLEY, WA 98038 Updated Website quarter German pups and Amer bred pup _http://www.kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com_ (http://kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================