Ok here is another question. I am judging in Springfield MA this coming weekend. They are offering Veterans classes and this is what the premium list states: Veterans Classes- Class for dogs & class for bitches seven (7) years and over. Winners from these classes are eligible for Best of Breed Competition and at the judge's discretion may be considered for Grand Championship Points during Best of Breed judging. no mention of them having to be Champions?????? Is it assumed the veterans is a Champion or is it not required? My guess is that it is not required. I certainly will not ask the 3 entered if they are Champions and if one of them is the best in my opinion I will award it Breed or GrCh points like the premium list states. AKC can do whatever they want after the show LOL Lee Brown Too far from the womb and too close to the tomb to care about what anyone thinks of me. In a message dated 8/18/2013 1:13:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Hmmm, I still think you can be given the AKC award of BOB, BOS,etc and receive the AKC ribbons, but not the additional trophies and such that go with the GSDCA part of it. I don't think the AKC limits who can participate in Breed competition, I think the only requirement is that your animal is a champion, or is pending its championship. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================