In a message dated 6/20/2007 9:52:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dir@xxxxxxxxxx writes: I agree with you Patty but what about the hard to get bred bitches and/or hard to whelp bitches, bitches that have loss of whelps for whatever reason. Sometimes they only end up with one babe from a Ch. Select bitch. We would only hope that a very natural breeding of 2 very nice animals produces a very nice natural born litter. That opens up another can of worms. I've moved heaven and earth to get a bitch in whelp and said never again. I just spayed/placed a co-owned CH, OFA good, TC'd (each parent, 2x Sel.) bitch who was only 5 because I'm DONE moving heaven and earth and perpetuating bitches difficult to get in whelp. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================