Well said, Carolyn! It's not just you! People whine about competing against the professional handlers, but then they don't show up to compete in the amateur futurity meanwhile taking up everybody's time and wasting the club's money. Put up or shut up! Sorry to be so blunt. Zoa Dr. Zoa Rockenstein www.riverrockshepherds.com Home of: Ch. RiverRock's Hotel California RN HSAs CHIC (Callie), RiverRock's Straight From The Heart PT (Sera), RiverRock's Karla v. Kenlyn, Kenlyn's Nakita (Nikki, co-owned with Kent Boyles), and RiverRock's Heart of the Matter (Luke, ch. pointed) ----- Original Message ---- From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ELG440@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 7:35:32 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Amateurs?? I don't see why it would matter?? It's an Amateur Class ( just like the Amateur Futurity .....but a lot less simple!! ) so that those who don't want to compete against "pro handlers".......and felt they should have a Class or Futurity where they didn't have to. I'm sure there could be a Champion in the Amateur Futurity too....as there are some in the "regular" Futurity and Maturity. <G> I've never understood why they set up an Amateur Futurity so you don't have to compete against the "pro handlers" with your dog that you or someone handles and YET..........even if that dogs WINS the "Amateur Futurity".....it can ALSO compete in the "regular" Futurity?? Why are Clubs required to go to all that bother so someone can NOT compete against "pros".......and yet....after all that.......they can ....and DO.....ANYWAY? Am I the only one that doesn't make sense to........??? IS it just me......<G> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: just one extra class for Fut / Mat. for Amateurs with no Professional handlers......no matter WHO owns the dog. What would be the restriction of the dog? If the handler was a amateur, could the dog be a champion? Evan Ginsburg ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================