Barb and all, Here is the problem as I see. it. For years there has been a tempest brewing. Some feel they can operate above the rules, some feel the rules are for all but them. We need not look any further than the public outrage when it was perceived that because of her position in life, that Paris Hilton was getting preferential treatment. In this sport for quite a long time, there have been rumblings, complaints of those who want to operate outside the guidelines.Handlers have broken the rules, judges have allowed them. Ringside has observed it, we all talked among ourselves about it, some of us stuck with the sport, others were driven out in frustration. this is why I think the rhetoric is so strong. Exhibitors are angry, frustrated and it has been building for a long time. I understand when you say 8days, 4mos, 6mos a year, can a certain number of days really make that much difference? I was off one day on the age of a puppy and my points were taken away, so yes in the eyes of the AKC whether it is one day, or three months and 22 days it makes a difference. If violating this rule, drives someone away from the sport because it was perceived that the judge gave preferential treatment to a handler, then what did we accomplish? In the AKC's "Code of Sportsmanship" point 6 states " The sportsman exhibitor declines to enter or exhibit under a judge where it might REASONABLY appear that the judge's placements could be based on something other than the merits of the dog." I ask you, if the catalog shows that the judge co-owns the animal in question and the animal has been handled by said handler and then said handler shows to the judge 3mos and 22 days after, and also well after the closing date of the event, what message does that send to all ringside who may not be privy to all the private business arrangement that have been going on with the co-owners, handler,such who hired who or what ever?Do you think the AKC is going to ask to see their contract,check stubs or phone bill or do you think they will go by the registration of the dog? Also, what reasonable appearance does this give to all watching and is this beneficial to the sport? We need to thank the exhibitor who decided that enough was enough.This person has more courage than I do, since I have also been witness to this very thing and didn't act.It is also my understanding that the judge and handler were both advised not to do this prior to the event and declined take to the advise Perhaps now handlers and judges alike will understand that people are watching and we are not idiots. If judges value their licenses, they need to think long and hard about allowing handlers who have handled for them within the designated time period to enter their ring.How the GSDCA chooses to handle this will also send a message. It can either choose to attempt to sweep this under the rug and further demonstrate that the rules only apply to some, and further contribute to the possibility of more people getting disgusted and frustrated an leaving the sport, or they can deal with it appropriately and if that means forwarding the complaint on to the AKC to let them deal with it accordingly, then so be it. In closing point 8 of the "AKC Code of Sportsmanship states:"The sportsman RESPECTS the AKC by-laws,rules, regulations and policies governing the sport of purebred dogs." I think this sums it up pretty well. Christine hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > [Original Message] > From: <barbmarkh@xxxxxxx> > To: <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 6/12/2007 11:21:01 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Fwd: Letter of the Law V. Spirit of the Law...long > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: barbmarkh@xxxxxxx > To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:40 am > Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Letter of the Law V. Spirit of the Law...long > > > This is a Great Post - BUT - I have to say that I see this more as "Spirit of the Law" - The 4 month rule is to help people see that the judge remain impartial - now is a judge impartial at 3 months and 15 days - or 4 months and 10 days - after all the AKC says at least 4 months - so now are we talking 4 1/2 months or what?  Also - I doubt that Paul and Jerry set out to break any rules - The original animal in question I heard is co-owned in name only with the Roots - the main owner books all the shows and pays all the bills - so the Roots didn't hire or employ Jerry - perhaps Paul didn't think it was right to deny Jerry the ability to show at a "Futurity" - that like a National are different for exhibitors and handlers (it must be special - they charge us more than usual - right?) On the front of the entry form - the only place these rules are referrenced - it says they request adherence - not that one must adhere to the 4 month rule . . . > > No explaination makes this over 4 months - but perhaps - if we think about it - it might could soften our retoric on the subject - - after all I thought the speed limit analogy very similar - > > Question - if this is a santioned match - and all AKC rules are to be followed - why wasn't the complaint filled at the show and handled by a Bench Show Committee - like as soon as Jerry walked in the ring the first time - It clearly says that that is the correct procedure - That would of ended the question on that day - Now - is it being handled by the ethics committee? I heard that everyone had paid the $50.00 - if its the ethics committee - then why did the Show Chair have the complaints? > > Inquiring minds are interested > Barb > > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. 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