Off the topic.........but read Kay's post below. <G> Some of our Specialty Clubs that are failing with falling entries need to pay attention to this kind of venue that Kay mentioned below. We need to start combining our shows........with four Specialty weekends of two shows per day .....or combine them with other shows....even All Breed shows as Kay states below. At the price of gas and current economy and our own advancing ages.....Exhibitors are getting tired of burning up the freeways every couple of weekends to go to shows in the same area for one show one day and one show another day and they aren't even majors.....then make the same drive later in the year for the same two shows and small entries and pay the expenses for themselves and the handlers all over again.......TWICE. Small entries drug out to take all day....... In California alone there are about 14 specialty shows spread out through the show season from January till October........and it's a long drive from one end of the State to the other. Combing them would cut it to about 6 or 7 weekends of driving and expenses!! Shows are often put on by two different clubs....one on Saturday and one on Sunday. Most are dwindling to two points and Club members are having to enter dogs they normally would not. THEN.....these same two Clubs put on another show six months later....one on Saturday and one on Sunday.....barely starting out as majors and failing as majors by the time the show is over. It's hardly worth the effort and expense to bring out judges ....and work all weekend and hardly worth the drive for exhibitors!! WHY these same Clubs that work together all weekend to cause Exhibitors to make two long drives for small entries instead of combining them into ONE weekend is beyond my understanding. It's one Park Fee...one catalog....one show weekend for Club members to work on....one Premium List....one weekend of picking up Judges.....one weekend of setting up and taking down show equip. and LESS competition for good show weekends with other Specialty Shows, All Breed Shows, Futurities and other show weekends elsewhere.....and even more judges available with less weekends taken! Thats for the Clubs themselves. For Exhibitors that support the shows... It's ONE long drive, ONE weekend of paying expenses for handlers, ONE weekend of gas and motel expenses for themselves, ONE less weekend spent on the road and FOUR judges to choose from or all four to exhibit under......and a LOT BETTER CHANCE of pulling majors as it should bring in more exhibitors since they don't have the same shows and clubs six months later that won't have a big enough entry to make it worth their drive. HALF the time on the road.... HALF the expenses...bigger entries and cuts in half their handler expenses and the handlers are freed up for other shows....and make the same amount as it's the same amount of shows.....just less expense for the dog owners. See what Kay mentions.........FOUR All Breed Shows and TWO Specialties.....ONE Drive and location. Time to start thinking outside the box!!! Oregon has..... Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kay Reamensnyder Betty Doerpinghaus To: pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx ; Lee Brown Cc: windwalkergsds@xxxxxx ; GSD list ; kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:08 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: was (no subject) - AKC judging fees There is a big difference. You mentioned judges fees AND expenses in the same sentence. Almost all of the "fairgrounds" in WA and OR have now become Expo Centers.We used to show in cattle barns, livestock pavilions, etc. Now we have brand new Expo Centers with airconditioning... .and all the expense that goes with it. We have run out of "cheap places" for shows....and our weather is not quite as good as California. The Rose City Cluster, in January, is almost a week long...4 AB shows and 2 days of Stand Alone Specialties. Add in the Performance venue, and we use all 5 Halls of the Portland Expo Center. There are more than 20 conformation rings and I don't know how many performance rings...plus two halls for grooming. Our judges Group gets one conference hall for 3 days of seminars and AKC gets a conference room for their Introduction to Judging seminar. All food is catered by the Expo Center...their rules. So, when you mention that someone's club has spent $25,000, you need to be more detailed about what it was spent for. How many judges? What kind of accommodations? Transportation? Food? It does not all go into the judges pockets. -Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus -Home of Bedkar German Shepherds -bedkar@xxxxx -Visit our Website: www.bedkargsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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