In a message dated 11/19/2004 7:54:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, PAGAIRS writes: What does that have to do with what he gave to the breed? I do not understand that statement Evan, please explain. It was the genesis for the line, "Not that there is anything wrong with that." It seemed a perfect time to use it. I know Lamar would have thought so. Evan Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together